single units in plural situations

topic posted Sun, December 11, 2005 - 7:07 PM by  Bryan
I have a question for the assembled grammarians. Why are plural quantities labelled with singular units when performing the role of an adjective?

For example, the plural of FOOT is clearly FEET. But a rope that is twenty FEET long is referred to as a twenty FOOT rope. Why?
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Bryan
Anchorage
  • Re: single units in plural situations

    Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:19 AM
    Just hazarding a guess here - the length of rope is considered to be one unit, so the adjective is describing the unit. If you had 20 1-foot sections of rope, that would be a different story.

    It's kind of like a group of singular items a singular verb. The verb is attributed to the one item (the group) as opposed to the many items that make up the group.

    Example:

    Group takes singular verb
    The gang of criminals was convicted.

    Group takes plural verb
    Michael, Donald and Terrence were convicted.
    • Re: single units in plural situations

      Mon, December 12, 2005 - 10:28 PM
      Hm -- I'm not convinced. If you had two of them, wouldn't they still be two twenty foot ropes?
      • Re: single units in plural situations

        Tue, December 13, 2005 - 8:30 AM
        I would opine that they would be two twenty-foot ropes, but that's a horse of a different color.
        • Re: single units in plural situations

          Fri, December 30, 2005 - 12:54 PM
          Having recently gone through the whole hyphenation business with my boss (a college president and a pure STICKLER for this kind of thing), it, according to her, would be

          a twenty-foot rope or
          two twenty-foot ropes

          The hyphen is inserted when the words preceding the verb (rope) modify it (twenty-foot).

          For instance, one would write "The course was on site."

          Or "It was an on-site course."

          Hope that isn't clear as mud.
          • Re: single units in plural situations

            Fri, December 30, 2005 - 3:50 PM
            that's exactly right.
            certain types of adjectives are only adjectives when they are hypnenates.
            in the case of the phrase "twenty foot" i suppose you could get away with doing it either way, but i think it becomes a little clearer when you compare that situation against another.
            i'll use as my example the phrase "thank you."

            she sent me a note in order to say, "thank you."
            she sent me a thank-you note.

            there is no other way, in this case, to make it clear that the phrase "thank you" is being used as an adjective aside from making it into a hyphenate. without that change, the sentence would not read as clearly as it does.

            with that in mind, if go back to using the phrase "a twenty-foot rope" and want to emphasize the length of the rope, we would then say that it is "a twenty-foot-long rope."

            here again we can see a little more clearly how it is that the usage of hyphens makes it much easier to understand the function of the phrase.

            ~e.
            • Re: single units in plural situations

              Sat, December 31, 2005 - 5:52 AM
              Okay -- I'll certainly go along with the hyphens. I'm not sure they're required in every case, but I'll concede the point for now. Still, my question remains: Why is it "a twenty-foot rope" and not "a twenty-feet rope"?

              (Or twenty-foot-long vs. twenty-feet-long.)
              • Re: single units in plural situations

                Sat, December 31, 2005 - 2:52 PM
                If this goes on much longer, I think I will buy myself a twenty-foot rope and hang myself!

                No, seriously, good discussion!

                Perhaps it is where the noun falls in the sentence.

                The length of the rope was twenty feet.

                It was a twenty-foot rope.

                ?

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