I have a question for the assembled grammarians. Why are plural quantities labelled with singular units when performing the role of an adjective?
For example, the plural of FOOT is clearly FEET. But a rope that is twenty FEET long is referred to as a twenty FOOT rope. Why?
For example, the plural of FOOT is clearly FEET. But a rope that is twenty FEET long is referred to as a twenty FOOT rope. Why?
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Re: single units in plural situations
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 9:19 AMJust hazarding a guess here - the length of rope is considered to be one unit, so the adjective is describing the unit. If you had 20 1-foot sections of rope, that would be a different story.
It's kind of like a group of singular items a singular verb. The verb is attributed to the one item (the group) as opposed to the many items that make up the group.
Example:
Group takes singular verb
The gang of criminals was convicted.
Group takes plural verb
Michael, Donald and Terrence were convicted. -
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Re: single units in plural situations
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 7:36 PMIf we're lucky, Karl, Dick and George will be convicted, too.
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Re: single units in plural situations
Mon, December 12, 2005 - 10:28 PMHm -- I'm not convinced. If you had two of them, wouldn't they still be two twenty foot ropes? -
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Re: single units in plural situations
Tue, December 13, 2005 - 8:30 AMI would opine that they would be two twenty-foot ropes, but that's a horse of a different color. -
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Re: single units in plural situations
Fri, December 30, 2005 - 12:54 PMHaving recently gone through the whole hyphenation business with my boss (a college president and a pure STICKLER for this kind of thing), it, according to her, would be
a twenty-foot rope or
two twenty-foot ropes
The hyphen is inserted when the words preceding the verb (rope) modify it (twenty-foot).
For instance, one would write "The course was on site."
Or "It was an on-site course."
Hope that isn't clear as mud. -
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Re: single units in plural situations
Fri, December 30, 2005 - 3:50 PMthat's exactly right.
certain types of adjectives are only adjectives when they are hypnenates.
in the case of the phrase "twenty foot" i suppose you could get away with doing it either way, but i think it becomes a little clearer when you compare that situation against another.
i'll use as my example the phrase "thank you."
she sent me a note in order to say, "thank you."
she sent me a thank-you note.
there is no other way, in this case, to make it clear that the phrase "thank you" is being used as an adjective aside from making it into a hyphenate. without that change, the sentence would not read as clearly as it does.
with that in mind, if go back to using the phrase "a twenty-foot rope" and want to emphasize the length of the rope, we would then say that it is "a twenty-foot-long rope."
here again we can see a little more clearly how it is that the usage of hyphens makes it much easier to understand the function of the phrase.
~e. -
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Re: single units in plural situations
Sat, December 31, 2005 - 5:52 AMOkay -- I'll certainly go along with the hyphens. I'm not sure they're required in every case, but I'll concede the point for now. Still, my question remains: Why is it "a twenty-foot rope" and not "a twenty-feet rope"?
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Re: single units in plural situations
Sat, December 31, 2005 - 2:52 PMIf this goes on much longer, I think I will buy myself a twenty-foot rope and hang myself!
No, seriously, good discussion!
Perhaps it is where the noun falls in the sentence.
The length of the rope was twenty feet.
It was a twenty-foot rope.
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